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		<title>By: Good Boss, Bad Boss? &#171; Letters From The Porch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Boss, Bad Boss? &#171; Letters From The Porch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, liked how you tied in the 50th law.  Great book.

I would change the title from &quot;Do you work harder than your boss&quot; to &quot;Are you more productive than your boss&quot;.  Could be just me, but I think different people have different perceptions of working hard.  And just because your working hard does not mean you&#039;re working productively.  I have friends that look like the laziest students, yet they ace their exams, create valuable work, and bring interesting discussion to lectures.

Also, not all employees are cutout to be a CEO. Or a leader.  Most employees probably couldnt handle making tough decisions CEOs must make, leading people toward a collective purpose, etc.  There is simply a different skill set that a CEO position demands from a an employee postion.  

However, I do agree with your thoughts on leading by example, asking your employees to think outside the box, etc.  Especially with my generation, whatever you want to call it (Gen-y, millenials) collaboration between employee and leaders will be crucial.  May not be as effective with older generations, but will be with the generation coming in.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, liked how you tied in the 50th law.  Great book.</p>
<p>I would change the title from &#8220;Do you work harder than your boss&#8221; to &#8220;Are you more productive than your boss&#8221;.  Could be just me, but I think different people have different perceptions of working hard.  And just because your working hard does not mean you&#8217;re working productively.  I have friends that look like the laziest students, yet they ace their exams, create valuable work, and bring interesting discussion to lectures.</p>
<p>Also, not all employees are cutout to be a CEO. Or a leader.  Most employees probably couldnt handle making tough decisions CEOs must make, leading people toward a collective purpose, etc.  There is simply a different skill set that a CEO position demands from a an employee postion.  </p>
<p>However, I do agree with your thoughts on leading by example, asking your employees to think outside the box, etc.  Especially with my generation, whatever you want to call it (Gen-y, millenials) collaboration between employee and leaders will be crucial.  May not be as effective with older generations, but will be with the generation coming in.<br />
.-= Ronnie&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.ronnienurss.com/archives/176" rel="nofollow">Optimize Your Growth as an Individual</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mon - Surprised it took you to call me out on those graphs. I do think they&#039;re probably a gross misrepresentation posted to entice conversation. I think you&#039;ll encounter middle managers not doing their job more often than CEOs (especially in big companies.)
 
There are definitely mom and pop shops though where the CEOs do a LITTLE work, hire their offspring at $80K so they can yell at the plebeians, and don&#039;t care about profitability as long as they can pay themselves, write a bunch of stuff off, and get their name in the paper/do a few interviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mon &#8211; Surprised it took you to call me out on those graphs. I do think they&#8217;re probably a gross misrepresentation posted to entice conversation. I think you&#8217;ll encounter middle managers not doing their job more often than CEOs (especially in big companies.)</p>
<p>There are definitely mom and pop shops though where the CEOs do a LITTLE work, hire their offspring at $80K so they can yell at the plebeians, and don&#8217;t care about profitability as long as they can pay themselves, write a bunch of stuff off, and get their name in the paper/do a few interviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That chart is insane to me. I&#039;m reading this book called Top Jobs, and the life of a CEO is one that I would never want. Sure, it seems like they just go around and inspect or give speeches all day, but those people actually spend almost every waking moment working.

It&#039;s easy to sit in the trenches and see how your manager knows nothing and does nothing, and I&#039;m sure it&#039;s true for many of us. But the chart above seems grossly mis-stated to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That chart is insane to me. I&#8217;m reading this book called Top Jobs, and the life of a CEO is one that I would never want. Sure, it seems like they just go around and inspect or give speeches all day, but those people actually spend almost every waking moment working.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to sit in the trenches and see how your manager knows nothing and does nothing, and I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s true for many of us. But the chart above seems grossly mis-stated to me.<br />
.-= Monica O&#8217;Brien&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://blog.monicaobrien.com/email-marketing-tips-and-tricks/" rel="nofollow">Integrating email marketing with social media</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Beth - It&#039;s unfortunate you&#039;ve found yourself in that situation, and I&#039;m sorry you&#039;ve had to deal with that as I know it can be very frustrating, particularly if said boss is getting the credit for your hard work. I completely agree your suggestion that the manager try to think about it from an employees perspective.

I think my sympathies lie with the employees who feel trapped and that they can&#039;t leave because of the economy. The manager&#039;s will get what&#039;s coming to them I suspect. Though, let&#039;s be honest, this world isn&#039;t always fair, in fact it rarely is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Beth &#8211; It&#8217;s unfortunate you&#8217;ve found yourself in that situation, and I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;ve had to deal with that as I know it can be very frustrating, particularly if said boss is getting the credit for your hard work. I completely agree your suggestion that the manager try to think about it from an employees perspective.</p>
<p>I think my sympathies lie with the employees who feel trapped and that they can&#8217;t leave because of the economy. The manager&#8217;s will get what&#8217;s coming to them I suspect. Though, let&#8217;s be honest, this world isn&#8217;t always fair, in fact it rarely is.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As part of this discussion, just wanted to add this thought from &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/jakrose&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jason Keath&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in response to the post, &quot;I imagine most people do. The question is do you work harder than your boss worked to get to where they are.&quot;

I think this is a great perspective. One could argue that there are a handful of bosses that &#039;just got lucky,&#039; and this is certainly true, but they&#039;re likely the minority. At least I hope so.

BUT the question remains, what can they do to communicate to their subordinates that they&#039;re working hard, or at least have a good handle on what&#039;s going on to ensure they get the most productivity and effort out of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of this discussion, just wanted to add this thought from <a href="http://twitter.com/jakrose" rel="nofollow">Jason Keath</a> in response to the post, &#8220;I imagine most people do. The question is do you work harder than your boss worked to get to where they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a great perspective. One could argue that there are a handful of bosses that &#8216;just got lucky,&#8217; and this is certainly true, but they&#8217;re likely the minority. At least I hope so.</p>
<p>BUT the question remains, what can they do to communicate to their subordinates that they&#8217;re working hard, or at least have a good handle on what&#8217;s going on to ensure they get the most productivity and effort out of them?</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! Great post Ryan! I really think that this is a very interesting concept, and it definitely comes into play at the nonprofit where I work. In my field of fundraising, I see my boss knowing next to nothing about his field, and simply cruising along for the ride, while I do almost everything.I really think it&#039;s important to address this problem, because I know that in my experience, it leads to a lot of turnover - and ultimately - a lack of productivity due to sheer frustration. I definitely think it is imperative for supervisors to think about their own experience in relation to those that work for them...it is part of being a well paid manager!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! Great post Ryan! I really think that this is a very interesting concept, and it definitely comes into play at the nonprofit where I work. In my field of fundraising, I see my boss knowing next to nothing about his field, and simply cruising along for the ride, while I do almost everything.I really think it&#8217;s important to address this problem, because I know that in my experience, it leads to a lot of turnover &#8211; and ultimately &#8211; a lack of productivity due to sheer frustration. I definitely think it is imperative for supervisors to think about their own experience in relation to those that work for them&#8230;it is part of being a well paid manager!</p>
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		<title>By: citygirlgvl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely work harder than my boss. My problem is that he doesn&#039;t agree that me being there to keep things running when he&#039;s not, has any significant value. He should be paying for the peace of mind he has when he&#039;s not there. He knows he can trust me and that I will show up everyday and get the job done. 

He hasn&#039;t given me any raise in several years and even took away my sick days this year, citing &quot;the economy&quot;. Perhaps if he spent more time working, the business would be making more money. I&#039;m not the sales department, he is. I resent the disrespect and lack of effort on his part. I have been actively looking for a new position, and when I find one I&#039;ll leave with no regrets...knowing that he let me down. I&#039;ve been there for eleven years, and his behavior is showing me the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely work harder than my boss. My problem is that he doesn&#8217;t agree that me being there to keep things running when he&#8217;s not, has any significant value. He should be paying for the peace of mind he has when he&#8217;s not there. He knows he can trust me and that I will show up everyday and get the job done. </p>
<p>He hasn&#8217;t given me any raise in several years and even took away my sick days this year, citing &#8220;the economy&#8221;. Perhaps if he spent more time working, the business would be making more money. I&#8217;m not the sales department, he is. I resent the disrespect and lack of effort on his part. I have been actively looking for a new position, and when I find one I&#8217;ll leave with no regrets&#8230;knowing that he let me down. I&#8217;ve been there for eleven years, and his behavior is showing me the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I would have used more Jay-Z in my presentation...

Just sayin&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I would have used more Jay-Z in my presentation&#8230;</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;<br />
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yura – That feels like a logical explanation. I don’t think anyone can actually WORK 40 hours a week. (Sure you do some weeks, but at some point you need time to rest and replenish.) It’s just not in our nature to do that consistently. Kyle Neath has a solid post about this on his blog Warpspire here –&gt; “It’s Not Just About How Many Hours You Work.”

To an entry level worker though they could perceive themselves to be doing 35 hours of work, and a senior leader doing 16 hours of work because they don’t always see decision making processes, etc. What’s TANGIBLE can sometimes be important I suspect, OR at least the way upper management communicates the value of what they do to their subordinates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yura – That feels like a logical explanation. I don’t think anyone can actually WORK 40 hours a week. (Sure you do some weeks, but at some point you need time to rest and replenish.) It’s just not in our nature to do that consistently. Kyle Neath has a solid post about this on his blog Warpspire here –> “It’s Not Just About How Many Hours You Work.”</p>
<p>To an entry level worker though they could perceive themselves to be doing 35 hours of work, and a senior leader doing 16 hours of work because they don’t always see decision making processes, etc. What’s TANGIBLE can sometimes be important I suspect, OR at least the way upper management communicates the value of what they do to their subordinates.</p>
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